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annathecrow ([personal profile] annathecrow) wrote in [community profile] dreamwars2022-03-14 07:33 am
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Chat corner 47: The Last Jedi

Welcome to this week’s chat corner!

Optional prompt

This week’s prompt is “Star Wars: The Last Jedi”, the second movie in the Sequel trilogy.

Just as with the first Sequel movie, I remind you to use The Dark Side post as necessary, so there’s some space left for people who enjoyed the film. If you did, the floor is yours ;)

 

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ironymaiden: Satine Kryze from Clone Wars (clone wars)

[personal profile] ironymaiden 2022-03-15 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
yes, of course there were plenty of other force-sensitive beings in the galaxy, but we also know that the empire engaged in a systematic genocide. as far as we know from the films, there were only a handful of people who were strong in the force left, and most of them had died. seeing Rey, Finn, the little boy with the broom fulfilled the idea of the Force "awakening" a new generation of potential Jedi.

the idea that a great Force-user could only come from a family dynasty is insulting and indeed counter to what was presented in the prequels and TCW, and counter to hundreds of years of Jedi practice before the collapse of the Republic. (and I say this as a Korkie-is-a-Kenobi truther.)

we can agree that the lack of a coherent plan for the sequel trilogy was a failure, but we'll have to disagree on the quality of the ideas presented in TLJ.
annathecrow: screenshot from Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. A detail of the racing pod engines. (sw: pods)

[personal profile] annathecrow 2022-03-15 06:31 am (UTC)(link)

FWIW, I like your point about Force not running in dynasties. One of the things that I like on the Prequel-era Jedi Order is how diverse it is; how the Jedi come from all species. (I'd like to add "and cultures", but that one is a bit more dicey.)

extrapenguin: Star Wars (star wars)

[personal profile] extrapenguin 2022-03-16 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I, too, loved that aspect about the Jedi Order! It's no mistake that the Jedi Council is the most diverse set of characters we see in ... the entire set of Star Wars films, I think?

(We see Barriss worship a Mirialan idol in TCW, and basically everyone who is not Mace Windu or in Yoda's disciple-lineage seems to have some culturally specific clothing according to various sourcebooks, so I'd say the Jedi being multicultural is canon.)
fleurviolette: (the jedi)

[personal profile] fleurviolette 2022-03-15 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, there were a few people who were force sensitive left in the Disney canon, meanwhile in the classic eu, there was a new Jedi order with a variety of new characters and the next generation of Skywalkers and Solos.

Exactly, Ahsoka Tano is an example of a great force user who hasn’t come from any ‘family dynasty’. She is her own being.

Edit: I wouldn’t necessarily call the Skywalkers a ‘family dynasty’. They obviously aren’t the only family who happens to be strong in the force?? Sorry I’m trying to understand this point?

It’s just some of the concepts in tlj that were marketed as new and different have been already introduced in the original saga, KOTOR, Clone Wars, Jedi Fallen Order, etc. so it’s kind of redundant.
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ironymaiden: (emo kylo)

[personal profile] ironymaiden 2022-03-16 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Re: family dynasty, the idea that Rey needed to be a Skywalker, Kenobi, or Palpatine.
fleurviolette: (wasabi sips the bone broth)

[personal profile] fleurviolette 2022-03-16 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, that seems very meta. Initially it wasn’t unusual for the audience to speculate on Rey’s background or connection to established and well known characters in the story.

I wouldn’t have minded if Rey would have been set up either as Luke’s daughter or one of his students from the start. Otherwise it seemed like Disney tried to mold Rey as their version of Luke instead of creating an original character with an original backstory.

Meanwhile I have not seen that argument pop up regarding Jaina Solo or Ben Skywalker in the EU/Legends. Both characters are their own, and their last names do not detract from their own character arcs.
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